This post covers less toxic options for all kitchen appliances including fridges, trash compactors, dishwashers, ovens, stoves, and washing machines.
I also take a look at less toxic sinks and air conditioners.
The focus is on people with chemical sensitivities but non-sensitive people can benefit from our experience.
This article contains affiliate links, upon purchase I earn a commission at no extra cost to you.
Non-Toxic Refrigerators
Brands That Are Lower in Off-Gassing
Even top-of-the-line glass door fridges don’t necessarily off-gas less than regular cheaper ones. Some people find stainless fridges off-gas less than the plastic ones, others disagree.
You will want to sniff as many brands as you can.
One very sensitive blogger, Janis, reports that Sunfrost Refrigerators use fiberglass instead of plastic. But, they will bake it at high heat before they ship it to off-gas it in advance. Their fridge uses less electricity than a normal fridge. They are pricey at $3000-$4000.
Recently, I have heard reports of GE being a more tolerable brand (starting in 2019), but I would go and sniff them yourself unless you are only mildly sensitive. In 2023, another reader reported the same, and in 2025, GE was also rated the best by a sensitive person sniffing them (see comment section for more details).
That same person ranked Samsung in second place. This could be influenced by how long the floor models were out, but he did check multiple stores. (Also keep in mind that sensitive people experience a lot of variation in smells and perception).
There are mixed opinions from odor-sensitive people on Whirlpool brand two-door stainless models and LG French Doors.
A couple of people reported the Fisher & Paykel (floor model for one) to be good in the beginning of 2024, and mid-2025.
If you’re wondering why all fridges have a Prop 65 warning on them, this article explains that.
Smaller Sizes
Consider using a bar-sized or apartment-sized refrigerator to save on your electric bill and cut back on off-gassing. My fridge is 3.1 cubic feet and it’s a perfect size for me.
Off-Gas it First
How to off-gas a new fridge is covered here.
Propane
A propane-powered refrigerator should be OK if you do not have enough amps to power an electric one. Propane-powered fridge vents fully to the outside and could be acceptable in a trailer with a small electrical load.
Less Toxic Dishwashers
Stainless Steel Interior
Dishwashers with a stainless steel interior like those made by Bosch, Miele, and Whirlpool use bitumen or asphalt as an insulation and sound-dampening layer.
Though Miele’s bitumen is partially encased (and some sensitive folks have done well with it). Recently, a Miele rep told a reader that part of the bitumen was not enclosed (2024) but sensitive folks continue to report good results with this brand.
Though one reader reported their Miele dishwasher coming with Miele UltraTabs All in 1 dishwasher detergent tablets inside the dishwasher which have fragrance.
Some bitumen layers are between blanket reflective sound barriers, others are baked or sprayed on.
They used to use fiberglass or mineral wool on stainless steel dishwashers.
Plastic Interior
The other option is a plastic (polypropylene) interior.
Not everybody sensitive has done better with the plastic option, and some do prefer the stainless steel dishwashers.
Polypropylene does contain intentionally added BPA, BPS, or phthalates. I consider this a safe plastic.
This option should not have asphalt or bitumen sound insulation like the stainless steel interior options (or is at least much less likely to have asphalt or bitumen).
They do often have fiberglass around the plastic instead, which may not have any off-gassing (depending on the binder).
A plastic interior could pick up secondary orders more easily than stainless steel – so if you’re in a rental or if you’re buying secondhand this may not be ideal.
Better Brands
Some brands that sensitive folks have liked include Electrolux, Frigidaire, and GE Integrated models. I have the Frigidaire FFBD2406NB which is plastic on the interior with no bitumen on the exterior, only fiberglass (this was 2021).
Another very sensitive person recently found this model to be good: Samsung Storm Wash 24 stainless steel, model number: DW80R5061US.
GE GDP630PYR5FS is also free of bitumen.
A reader in the comments said that LG Smart Top Control Dishwasher Model # LDTH7972S is free of Bitumen in 2023 according to a rep and someone that bought it. Another reader reported that LG Dishwasher LDTH7972D (black stainless) contained bitumen in 2024.
Another reader said Maytag dishwasher model #MDB4949SKZ claims to be free of bitumen – they said they use polyester or fiberglass insulation, she was happy with it but it didn’t seem like she was chemically sensitive.
Test it for Bitumen Before Installing
You can not return a dishwasher that you have used, so first inspect your dishwasher for bitumen around the outside when you receive it (even if the company told you it doesn’t have bitumen) and use a hair dryer to heat up the outside to see if it will off-gas when heated (that idea came from a reader in the comments).
Wire Racks
Look for nylon-coated wire racks (not PVC). Most racks are now made with nylon (polyamide) and most with nylon will state that. Polyamide does not contain bisphenols (source) or phthalates (source).
If it doesn’t state what type of plastic is coating the racks then it might be PVC, which does off-gas and contain plasticizers like phthalates.
Leak-Prevention on Dishwashers
Miele and Bosch have internal leak detectors. You should also install a metal pan with a drain under the dishwasher.
If you are wondering which chemicals the Prop 65 warning is referring to or which brands don’t have a Prop 65 warning, this article will help.
Non-Toxic Sinks
Some stainless steel sinks have a sound absorption layer under the sink which you can see very clearly when looking at the underside. It could be a foam and/or bitumen layer. It does completely off-gas with time, in my experience.
Other than that possibly being an issue when new for chemically sensitive folks, stainless steel sinks are great.
Porcelain and enameled cast iron sinks have glazing that can contain lead. Sinks made prior to the 1980s are a higher risk, but current-day sinks can still contain heavy metals. As the glazing wears down these toxins can leach.
The lead testing post has more detail. If you test the sinks for heavy metals (as outlined in that post) this can be a great option.
Stone (marble etc.) sinks are great in theory. You just need to think about the sealer used there. Dark stones are ideal because then you can use an all-natural walnut oil sealer. Light stones require a synthetic sealer – the best one is listed here. (I personally would never go with a light stone sink, as they stain easily and the only sealer options are synthetic and they don’t always protect it from stains).
Composite sinks will be fine for most people, but the extremely sensitive will definitely want to check those out. They do off-gas rather quickly, so it’s not a long-term problem. The countertop post goes over these composite materials and what they are made of.
I have no problem with copper sinks, though personally I do not drink or eat out of anything copper (like copper pipes, copper mugs, etc.), I’m fine with it as a sink.
Non-Toxic Trash Compactors
Many trash compactors come with a built-in deodorizing system that may contain VOCs in the form of formaldehyde, phenols, or paradichlorobenzene.
Less Toxic Ovens
All new ovens that I have seen have a fairly prominent off-gassing odor.
I have heard from one person that Mielle ovens have minimal off-gassing.
If you’re in a rental I would certainly clean out any harsh cleaning products that may have been used before you turn on the oven.
If it’s brand new I would suggest that the chemically sensitive run this in a garage or outside of your space to off-gas it for as long as needed.
Before moving into my tiny house, my new oven was off-gassed for a month. It needs to run to off-gas. How many hours you need to run it would very much depend on your level of sensitivity.
Be sure to take safety precautions and not run it for too many consecutive hours.
I do not know of any ovens that don’t have PFAS-based non-stick walls.
At least two oven brands sold in North America are RoHS certified which is “Restriction of Hazardous Substances”, also known as Directive 2002/95/EC, originated in the European Union and restricts the use of specific hazardous materials found in electrical and electronic products.
The substances banned under RoHS are lead (Pb), mercury (Hg), cadmium (Cd), hexavalent chromium (CrVI), polybrominated biphenyls (PBB), polybrominated diphenyl ethers (PBDE), and four different phthalates (DEHP, BBP, BBP, DIBP).
The brands are Liebherr and Blomberg. Check other European brands sold in the US, as those are likely compliant too (Bosch, Gaggenau, SMEG, Bertazzoni and many more)
Self-cleaning ovens produce carcinogenic polynuclear aromatics.
Non-Toxic Toaster Ovens
My article on non-toxic toaster ovens looks at brands that don’t have PFAS coatings, don’t use aluminum in contact with food (or have easily replaceable aluminum parts), and even don’t have a Prop 65 warning.
Off-gassing Stoves
The chemically sensitive person might want to avoid gas and propane appliances. Especially gas stoves, which will be the largest emitter of fumes.
While some highly EMF-sensitive folks prefer gas appliances, like gas stoves, most chemically sensitive folks prefer electric.
Note that natural gas used in such as some ranges, dryers, and hot water heaters, may emit benzene, carbon monoxide, or formaldehyde when in use. “Benzene is present in natural gas, and carbon monoxide and formaldehyde are created when natural gas is burned. Consumers may be exposed to significant amounts of these chemicals, especially if the appliances are not properly vented.” Prop 65 website.
Gas appliances can also release carbon dioxide, nitrogen dioxide, and nitrous oxides into the air.
It’s a good idea to have a range hood over your stove that vents to the outside to reduce humidity and prevent mold in the home.
It might be better for some sensitive folks to use a two-burner hot plate (that type is the best liked but you can also try the flat type, someone recommended that one) and small convection oven.
One stove brand that was recommended (after off-gassing it in a garage for a little bit first) was Frigidaire (24″ model, small kitchen).
Less Toxic Washing Machines & Dryers
With washing machines, it’s best to go with a top loader.
Though a front loader can be carefully maintained and cleaned in many cases for mold prevention.
For a top loader, it is best to use a model with a metal drum.
Look for gear drive, not belt drive, if you’re super sensitive.
Some of the Samsung models have been recommended by chemically sensitive folks.
One very sensitive person recommended ASKO washer and dryers.
Many very sensitive folks like the Speed Queen washers. The dryers by them are also well-liked.
There are three comments from folks very recently who believe the Speed Queen may have changed some of the parts since they both reported higher odor.
But it’s not possible to know if the components have changed or their sensitivities have increased, as both are possible.
I also have heard from two other people who recently bought it and still found it great.
Many washing machines or dryers come with samples of dryer sheets or detergent that are scented so be sure to ask about that.
Maytag, GE and Whirpool and more brands can come with dryer sheets.
Also, Electrolux washing machines have added fragrance to their gaskets.
GE and many other brands uses Microban in the gasket and drawers.
Antimicrobials that could be used in EPDM gaskets include: silver-based ones, Microban’s Ascera, and zinc pyrithione, which I talk about here.
One reader reported that an appliance salesman told them that about 1/100 LG washing machines are returned due to a higher than normal solvent odor.
And the reader experienced a high odor from their machine.
I have not verified this to be true with the company themselves.
If you’re looking for brands without the Prop 65 warning, this post covers that.
Off-gassing a new washing machine
Start by washing some old towels or something you wouldn’t mind if it gets ruined with plenty of soap and some vinegar.
Use exhaust fans, ideally you have one dedicated to your laundry room if you are super sensitive.
Portable Washing Machines & Dryers
Sensitive folks have recommended Panda, Black & Decker, and Splendide portable washers.
When I lived in a tent outside a house I used a portable dryer (the type I used had a bag that filled up with warm air, but is no longer available).
Non-Toxic Air Conditioners
Frigidaire through-the-wall, Frigidaire window air conditioners, and Frididaire portable ACs have been recommended by highly sensitive people in 2024.
In terms of portable air conditioners, I have tried quite a few a haven’t noticed a difference between brands.
Honeywell, Black + Decker, Whynter, GE and Frigidaire have been recommended by sensitive folks.
It’s best however to go with a double hose type, so that you are not creating negative pressure, pulling in pollutants and hot air from other sources (it’s also much more efficient and effective).
Non-Toxic Dehumidifiers
I recently bought this no name brand dehumidifier, which has the usual plastic hard plastic, and a mild odor overall (similar to most portable AC units).
I have been using it every day for a couple of months and it works great.
Others who are very sensitive went with HomeLabs and Midea, one person like Hisense.
One person reported this Frigidaire being good but other models by that brand were not as good to her perception. Another very sensitive person thought that Friedrich was much better than other brands he had tried.
Corinne Segura is an InterNACHI-certified Healthy Homes Inspector with certifications in Building Biology, Healthier Materials and Sustainable Buildings, and more. She has 10 years of experience helping others create healthy homes. You can book a consult here.
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Annette Cunniffe
Hi Corrine,
Would a kitchen sink that is made of 18/8 chrome nickel content be safe to install?
Thank you
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
yes but if you have MCS check for the soundproofing treatment on the underside
Annette Cunniffe
Thank you!
Antonella
Loved this roundup of non‑toxic kitchen tools! It’s such an important part of creating a healthier home.
Sarah
I need to replace my range/oven. Most major brands come w/self-clean oven feature which I don’t want since I’d like to avoid more toxins released during self-clean cycle. My question is: Does the finish used for this feature pose a risk if I never use the self-clean setting? I understand the chemical released get set off by the super high temps, but I can’t help but wonder if some added coating in the stove could still be a problem, even if to a less degree, during normal oven use. I couldn’t find anything online about this. Any insight would be most welcome.
AG
We just purchased a new Speed Queen washer, Model TC5, and the odor is awful, petroleum and burnt rubber. We ran the washer several times and there is no change. Are there any top loaders with no smell?
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
The best ones that I have reports are are in the article
Melissa
So what are the two RoHS certified oven brands?
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
that is in the article
Melissa
Thanks for the response! Totally missed that at the bottom. As far as I can tell Liebherr is no longer making ovens ☹️ So I will spend time looking into Blomberg. I appreciate all the time and information you have on your website.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
All European brands likely meet this standard unless they are making different products for each market. So actually there are quite a few more.
Dbs
Thanks for this. I’ll add my results too. In multiple stores all brands of manual control top freezers including GE smelled strongly like fragrance and other chemicals inside and out so it was hard to judge in the stores I went to (two Lowes, two Pc Richards and one independent) and I couldn’t detect a consistent difference between brands with a focus on GE and Frigidaire but did smell some Whirlpool and LG. So I took my chances on a Frigidaire 20cu ft top freezer knowing I would put it in the garage first to test. I was mainly only looking at manual control top freezers and it was a tough decision between Frigidaire and GE based on your posts about GE not being too bad but there were other unrelated factors like size, weight, internal parts, noise complaints, and control knob differences but those were all doubtful I really could have gone for either brand especially if I could smell a difference in store. I had it installed in the garage for the first month but I was pleasantly surprised from the beginning there was no smell on the outside and nothing inside unless I really sniffed hard and close to smell the plastic. From the beginning occasionally when it is actively running and I open the door there is a slight smell I would describe as fishy but I have only noticed very sporadically and faintly for the three months I have now been using it, but I felt comfortable bringing it inside the house from the beginning and it has been fine for me.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
thank you!
Brett
I’ve used this website many times, and I figured that it’s time that I contribute!
Our refrigerator recently died, and so we had to look for a new one. When looking at them in stores, though, we found that so many smelled absolutely horrible when opening the refrigerator door. Therefore, I went on a big hunt to find one that did not smell as much—I went to five different stores and smelled the inside of more refrigerators than I am willing to admit. Below, I’ve rank ordered them from the brand that smelled the least to the brand that smelled the most. Keep in mind that this is just based on my nose—you could smell the same brand and come to a completely different conclusion. Additionally, this is from smelling them in the stores only, and therefore, I have no idea how quickly the smell might dissipate for any of them over time at home. It’s possible that the worst smelling ones would dissipate quickly. Finally, I primarily smelled the french door models, as this was the type of refrigerator that we wanted. Anywhere, here we go:
1. GE—In some stores, there was no noticeable smell at all. In other stores, there was a smell, but it was typically less intense and/or more tolerable than the alternatives.
2. Samsung—Usually smelled a little more than the GEs, but still significantly more tolerable than the remaining options.
3. Whirlpool—Big drop-off starting with this one. Many of the Whirlpools smelled pretty bad, although there were a couple here and there that were not as bad.
4. LG—Virtually every LG had the same bad smell inside. It was not quite as repulsive as some of the worst Whirlpools and Frigidaires, but there also was very little variability. This made me concerned that the smell could linger.
5. Frigidaire—Many of these had the most offensive smell, and nearly all of them smelled.
Whirlpool, LG, and Frigidaire all smelled bad enough that I personally decided not to consider them. Between those three, it is arguable which should be ranked #3, #4, and #5—quite frankly, they were all pretty bad. The only two brands that I found to be generally tolerable (but often still smelled more than I would like) were the GE models and Samsung models.
Side note: I did smell a few Bosch models and Fisher & Paykel models, but not enough to draw any firm conclusions. Based on the couple that I did smell, I would have ranked Bosch in the middle (probably a little worse than Samsung, but better than the bottom three) and Fisher & Paykel toward the top.
I hope that this information is helpful to someone!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
thank you so much! I’m sure that will be very helpful to people. It also depends on how long they were on the floor for and how often people had opened them but if it seemed consistent between brands even in different stores than there might be a pattern there.
Brett
Good point! Although I did not find anything to be true 100% of the time, there definitely did seem to be some trends between brands.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
Also were these all stainless steel models?
Brett
Yes, I believe so. I do not remember looking at any that were not stainless steel.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
thank you for sharing. I updated the post based on your sniffing studies.
Brett
Thank you for including my feedback!
Just a quick update: we ended up going with a GE Profile stainless steel French Door refrigerator, which we’ve now had for a couple of weeks. As far as the odor, we were thrilled with how little it smelled of chemicals. I can’t say the smell was nonexistent, but it was very mild upon opening it, and by now, the smell is almost nonexistent. We’ve had a couple of small issues with the refrigerator, and so I can’t speak to the long-term reliability of it. But we’ve been mostly satisfied with it so far, and the fact that it did not have a strong odor has played a big part in that. I can’t say that everyone else will have the same experience, but if you need a new refrigerator and are sensitive to chemical smells, then I would highly recommend at least checking out GE!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
thank you!
Sarah
Wow! This is so helpful. You were incredibly methodical about your process and it’s so kind of you to write it all up. For sure there are variables that impact your findings including what Corrine wrote below, but your info is such a great starting point for those of us who need to replace our fridge! Hat’s off to you for all your work and a huge thank you for sharing it as you did.
My husband and I were just today talking about buying a new fridge because the one we have is almost 10 yrs old and thought it might be prudent to get a new one so we have time to off gas it in the basement so it’s ready to go when the current one bites the dust. However, that means having a fridge doing nothing while the warranty period runs out.
Anyway, I’m going to use what you wrote as a starting point for sure if we decide to look at new ones. Ssssoooooooooooo helpful!!!
(I wonder if there would be a market for a business that had a big warehouse where people could have their new appliances delivered and where they could off gas for whatever length of time needed!)
Brett
I’m glad that my post was helpful!
Another update: we ended up having major issues with the GE. The refrigerator was not able to stay cold enough—temperatures would frequently go above 40 degrees and stay above 40 for long periods of time. After several unsuccessful attempts to repair it, we made the decision to return it (which was possible because we had a long return window at Costco). We were very disappointed.
We ended up going with a Whirlpool refrigerator. It was a difficult decision, because at least initially, the Whirlpool had a significantly stronger smell than the GE. Fortunately, however, the smell did dissipate pretty quickly. In the first week or two, the smell greatly decreased, and now a couple of months later, there is no noticeable smell at all. And unlike the GE, this one actually keeps our stuff cold.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
thanks for the update
DKI
Thanks for this. The best dehumidifiers I have ever used, no smell out of the box, were GEs, but they do not make those models any more. I have also used Hi Sense 25 pt dehumidifiers and no smell from those out of the box, they worked, although not as well made as the GEs. I am currently using my mom’s Frigidaire dehumid. (35 pint, I believe this model: FFAD3533W1) — it did need about a day of off-gassing and running to get the weird smell out, but has been running on and off since without issues and works well. However it intermittently gives off a high pitched sound which aggravates my tinnitus, so not ideal for people with noise sensitivity. (No other dehumidifier I have used has ever given off that high pitched sound). I have tried the compact tenergy sorbi because it also purifies air with a hepa filter, but it did not really dehumidify. It didn’t have a smell out of the box, though.
I am curious about Midea, will have to look into, thanks for the article.
Steve
Regarding the GE GDP630PYR5FS not having bitumen, I tried to find this dishwasher online and can only find the GDP630PYRFS (without the ‘5’) and that model does have bitumen. On the GE page for it someone asks about bitumen and GE’s answer (in 2024) is:
Hello Thank you for reaching out with your question. Bitumen is a material used to reduce operational noise of dishwashers. This unit does come with an insulation blanket and will be installed upon installation. This unit is insulated with bitumen to help reduce noise. Please let us know if you need further assistance, we are just a click away.
Sarah
Unexpected positive report for Frigidaire dehumidifier, model #FGAC5045W1, 50-pint for 1200 square feet. (I think this style comes in smaller pints/dimensions as well.)
I used Frigidaire dehumidifers for years and had very good experiences until a few months ago when I bought a new one and it smelled like a superfund site! That thing would not off gas no matter what I did so I finally returned it.
Checked out the other brands noted on this page, but none had great reviews, likely a sign of the times more than anything else. Especially post-covid, whatever shred of quality control there may have been, it’s completely out the window now for just about everything.
Rather than buy a new brand, I decided to give Frigidaire one more try. This time I found a model that didn’t have any black plastic on top as the prior purchase had. When it arrived and I removed it from the box, it stunk. Unsure if it was the plastic itself and/or odor transfer from the styrofoam and other packing materials in the box, I wiped it down, and turned the unit on so just the fan would run. Got a big hit of plastic smell from the air it was blowing when it first came on and then I left it to do it’s thing sitting outside on my deck.
Fast forward a couple of hours, when I went to check it, there was no smell! I turned it off and sniffed the unit. No smell!
The odorless machine is now running in my basement and not introducing any discernable nasty odors into the air. That’s not to say other things can’t go wrong, because they can and they may. But as far as odor goes, it’s a keeper.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
interesting! thanks for sharing! you got the one with an ionizer that connects to wifi as well?
Sarah
I don’t think it has an ionizer. I usually avoid that kind of feature. I’ll put a link to it knowing that if you don’t want comments to include links you can take it out or just not post this, but at least you’ll see the unit. I re-checked the specs after reading your comment and don’t see anything about an ionzer. If you find anything about that w/this unit, please post a link to that info because I’d want to know.
It looks like it’s got wifi, but I never use that. For some reason right now the price doesn’t show up on the product page. You have to add it to your cart to see it. It looks like it’s about $300. Today, at least.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
it says ionizer on that link as well as on amazon
Sarah
I made a mistake. The links below show the unit I bought and it doesn’t have the ionizer feature, thank goodness. (Glad to know I didn’t miss that info which was so apparent on the incorrect link I sent thanks to your excellent vetting.) What’s strange is that Frigidaire makes two identical looking units that are both 50 pint capacity, one for 1200 sq ft and one for 4500 sq feet, w/the 1200 sq ft unit having the ioner while the 4500 sq ft doesn’t. I just checked the model numbers on the units shown on these links to my documentation and these links are for the unit I bought. So sorry for the confusion.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
ok thanks!
Rosa
Hi Corrine,
Thank you so much for your important work.
I have a question about the nano-silver technology in refrigerators: is it safe or is it best to avoid it? It turns out there are almost no new refrigerators without some antibacterial/anti-fungal/anti/mold technology. Samsung uses nano-silver, Sharp = Ion Plasmacluster, Teka – IonClean etc.
I found this article at the institute of functional medicine website on the nano-silver technology:
https://www.ifm.org/news-insights/toxic-environmental-exposures-and-energy-production/
It reads: “A variety of different types of nanomaterials have been studied for their ability to induce toxic effects on mitochondria, including titanium oxide and silver nanoparticles.25-28 A study on titanium oxide nanoparticles in various in vitro models suggests that toxicity occurs through several different mechanisms, including reduced mitochondrial membrane potential (MMP), depolarization of the mitochondrial membrane, increased cytochrome C release, mitochondrial swelling, and mitophagy activation.26 Similarly, silver nanoparticles have also been shown to reduce MMP and ATP production, as well as promote mitochondrial fragmentation in several in vitro models.27 Lehner et al found that in vitro studies using human cell lines showed evidence that nanoparticles are taken up and induce oxidative stress or pro-inflammatory responses.17,28”.
From what is written here I cannot evaluate the risks of using a refrigerator with nano-silver technology. Is it a significant risk for a person with multiple sensitivities? If there`s no refrigerator without antibacterial technology, which one is less harmful?What would you recommend??
Thank you very much,
With kind regards,
Rosa
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
Where are they using it? It’s not something people with MCS react to but that doesn’t mean it’s ideal to use.
Catlin Jackson
Hi Corrine, is there a safer type of washer hose that is recommended? I need a new hose for my portable washing machine as it has gotten quite moldy.
Catlin Jackson
Sorry, Corinne**
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
I know there has been some discussion on the blog in the comments somewhere but I don’t know off the top of my head what the options are for portable washing machines
Ren
Hi,
I recently purchased an Electrolux washing machine. I have utilized 6 wash cycles on the washing machine and a tub clean. The machine still has a strong chemical smell almost similar to raid bug spray. It omits a very strong chemical smell. I saw other bad reviews on Electrolux and people complained about a bad smell.
K
I’m desperately searching for a safer washer and dryer right now, as my Maytag Neptune washer finally quit (and the matching dryer has been only half-working for many years).
The toxic reports with LG are terrifying, as my luck could mean getting one I cannot tolerate, and LG says to even expect toxic off-gassing for a while at first (not good). There’s no guarantee the toxicity for me would ever actually go away, so I feel very nervous about that brand, even though I found a 2020 model that’s been on a showroom floor for two years (no use means not entirely off-gassed despite age). I’d have no way to get away from the machine/s in my little cabin and would literally have to leave the house if they’re intolerable.
Per my sensitivities, I do need a full-size washer or I’d go with Miele (they’re so small and so much money!). Same with Asko, and I’d have to re-wire things for theirs anyway.
I have to consider a top loader, apparently. Please advise if anyone here has any updated recommendations for a washer and dryer (I can mismatch, they’re not in same room!)
Has anyone found a good quality, new set that was not toxic and has almost no off-gassing? Please help! Thank you.
Note: I’m considering CostCo (limited options) because their return policy is the only good one for such unwieldy, large objects.
Sarah
Have had a great experience with Speed Queen from an off gassing perspective (and I am super sensitive). I bought a top loader several years ago along with the dryer. Their machines are made for commercial use so they are very well built (or at least that’s the reputation…. the quality of everything seems to be on a rapid decline these days). The only downside is the dryer is very noisy so if it’s in a room near your living space, it can be annoying to hear it running. Happy to answer any other questions you might have. Don’t know if you’ll even see this, but I’ll try to remember to check back to see if there’s anything else you’d like to know.
Martha Ray Barger
I am a health researcher and am chemical and EMF sensitive, recovering from cancer (15 years out) and from two back fractures June 2, 2024. I have been working at avoiding toxins for 15+ years. As I am forced to replace appliances and products over the years I’ve made numerous mistakes and have found it challenging to find answers to make good decisions. It is hard to find information and to separate fact from marketing while in time of need.
Right now considering $500.00 Midea brand MDT24P4AST that is titled :
SUPERIOR WASH TECHNOLOGY, ULTRA-QUIET PERFORMANCE Dishwasher with
45 dBA, Wi-Fi and My Wash, STAINLESS STEEL.
Going to try and contact Midea…but not sure healthy materials are on their radar or that they will be objective enough to be fair.
There may be no such thing as a ‘healthy dishwasher’. For the last 27 yeas I have washed the worst off my dishes and use 30+ year old Estate Whirlpool dishwasher to sterilize the dishes and 18/0 silverware. I am also suspicious of nickle sensitivity since I had to stop wearing earrings about 20 years ago… so not sure if plain stainless steel would bother me.
Have no idea about my old dishwasher’s materials or new dishwasher’s materials. To fix my old unit would be about $900. needing a new water sensor (can’t remember technical name) and new racks as 1 top rail falls off and on the bottom rack 2 prongs broke off and the place they broke looks rusty. Even though the old unit is noisy and is failing I love it, black color front still looks new, easy to use and wash and drying ability has been great until this water sensor part issue.
Ren
I just purchased an Electrolux washing machine and it stinks of chemicals. I ran 6 wash cycles and a tub clean, and the scent is still very strong. It smells like bug spray. Other people have complained online about having an issue with a strong chemical smell with their Electrolux washing machine.
Susan
Curious if you know of non-toxic two-burner hot plates? The one we have really smells when it’s on boil. Thanks!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
there are two in the article
Maria
thank you for all your great articles!
what do you think of Pizza makers such as ooni (the electric one. (not the one working pellets).
Are there any concerns?
thank you!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
I havent looked into pizza makers
holly
one must be extremely wealthy to avoid cancer. I give up
Donna
my thoughts exactly…can you say population control? This info is overwhelming, and it seems nearly impossible to live a life that’s free of toxins. How do we protect ourselves, our children? No wonder cancer runs rampant in many families…(mine, me included). Many of these brands are expensive and still have insulation or coatings….or SOMETHING. I don’t wish to give up, but feel plaqued with an inability to do much to protect my kids and I.
Sarah
Any recommendations for a free-standing dehumidifer? I’ve been using Frigidaries for years w/o any problems. They have been real work horses and I’ve gotten very good mileage out of them. But I had to buy a new one recently. It has a slightly different design that includes black plastic on the top. It’ss off-gassing a very strong plastic smell when in use. I’ve given up trying to off-gas it, will return it, and am looking for an alternative brand. Any and all thoughts would be most welcome!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
added some to the post. there is also a really expensive one that can be fully cleaned apartment for mold sensitive folks but I can’t remember the name of it.
Sarah
Thank you, Corrine, though not exactly sure what something that can be fully cleaned apartment means. I will eheck out the brands you featured in the added section.
Jan
I am loving the MIDEA Cube dehumidifiers. See more details about my experience at
Sarah
DEHUMIDIFIERS: So appreciative that you added some info on this! Two comments/questions:
Comment: I used Frigidaire free-standing dehumidifiers for years and they were great. No wierd toxic smell, work horse machines. After a while they can get a bit funky making noise, but can do some work-arounds until the machine starts having other problems. However, this year when I bought a new one the thing stunk so badly. I wiped it down and tried to let it sit out to off gas after being in the packaging for whos knows how long but it just wouldn’t stop stinking so I returned it. Gonna try some of the brands you recommended. Related to that…
Jan: If you see this, your comment is a real cliff hanger: “See more details about my experience at”….???? Would love to hear about it.
Sarah
BOSCH DW UPDATE:
After running 60 cycles there is notable improvement. For most of the time, I had all kitchen windows open and running fans to intake and exhaust the air for the about 3.5 hrs (duration of cycle + drying time + time afterwards while cooling down and after opening the door to remove dishes).
After about 50 cycles, I was able to scale back the off-gassing routine and only have one window open without any fans running until the drying cycle when the machine is hottest at which time I could smell the bitumen. At that point, I put a small table fan in the window to exhaust the air for a short while and could clear out whatever odor there was pretty quickly. Am still doing that and don’t feel confident I can use the appliance with all windows closed up though I don’t think the odor would be overpowering. Still, it’s icky to smell and I prefer not to have what it’s off-gassing in the air.
Of note, for the first few weeks, the odor was comprised of bitumen but also a plastic and metallic smell, which were surprisingly strong and really lingered (far more than the bitumen which has been more of a passing smell).
Tip: If you’re replacing an old Bosch with a new one, save the racks, utensil holder, etc, as they’ve likely off gassed and can save you a lot of grief from new plastic materials. Although the new racks are presumably covered with nylon, they still smelled and there are other components that are plastic that stink (detergent holder, rinse aid holder, handle on top rack, utensil holder, arms, etc). I wished I had saved the old components.
I have no idea if I would have fared better with a different brand. There are a ton of compliants out there for most brands for all the same reasons. If Bosch is slightly worse it may be because they use a bit more bitumen which is why this brand is particularly quiet when running. Just a hypothesis.
Good luck to all!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
thanks for sharing. there is def a consensus about brands, bosch has always been one people complained about. there definitely are better brands that most people do well with, either with sealed bitumen like miele or without bitumen altogether
Sarah
Any suggestions for a hot plate? I bought a slow cooker a few years ago after my stove broke, couldn’t be repaired, and the supply chain was a mess to get a new one. But the bottom part and cord of the slow cooker stunk and still stink to this day. I can’t use it. I thought a one or two burner hot plate might be a better solution for if my stove is a problem for any reason.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
I used a hot plate when highly sensitive, there might still be a link in the article on my camplite trailer artivle but might not be. It was the style that has coils (as opposed to the flat electronic type)
Sarah
Thanks, Corrine. Just checked out that piece, but nothing specific about the hot plate (though I see it in one of the pics). If I start researching this kind of product, do you recommend the coil kind instead of the flat (glass?) top kind? If so, and you have a moment, I’d love to know what the critical differences are in terms of chemicals, off-gassing, and sensitivities. Thank you so much!!!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
At the time that is what super sensitive folks were recommending and it worked for me.
Caroline Salomone
Corinne, I need a gas cloths dryer (no bump out in back of dryer) and don’t knowwhere to begin. Can you recommend the best dryers for us chemically sensitive folk. There are so many changes in materials, fragrance addiitons, etc..
Also, after many many years, I need to shop for furniture and am thinking of Ethan Allen. I haven’t seen any info about the furniture from this manufacturer. Do you have any info or advice concerning same. Thank you.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
I talk about dryers in this article but I don’t know about gas powered ones specifically
Sarah
Hi Caroline. I see you addressed your message to Corrine, but thought I’d hop in, and hopefully Corrine won’t mind, regarding Ethan Allen.
I’ve found their customer service to be quite helpful, either on the phone or in the store. Like most industries, more and more of what they make has been outsourced to southeast Asia.
There was a piece of furniture I was interested in a few years ago and the person I spoke w/actually had the integrity to recommend off-gassing it for a bit because the finish would smell.
Sometimes companies/local stores may be willing to hold a piece for you while it off-gases. They may do it at no charge or they may charge since space is at a premium, but that’s something you may want to ask about. Of course, the unknown variable is how bad it will smell, what kinds of chemicals it’s off gassing, and how long it will take.
Sarah
Saw your comment about Ethan Allen. Be aware that a lot of their furniture is made overseas and I’ve even had people in the showroom tell me that if I’m chemically sensitive, I’d need to plan to allow time for some pieces to off gas. Sometimes a store may offer to hold a piece for a while to do that, other times not. In my experience, most folks way underestimate the time it takes to off gas things (assuming they even smell the toxins in the first place).
I think Corrine has a piece about more healthy furniture, but as you might imagine, many of those companies only make a limited number of things and designs. But they’re out there.
One issue with imported products on top of all the toxins involved in the materials and production of furniture is that these things sit in shippping containers for extended periods of time and those containers (and maybe the contents, as well) are sprayed down with all manner of chemicals to kill bugs, mold, bacteria, you name it. By the time it reaches one’s door it’s quite a mash up of chemical soup in my view.
Magda
I have portable Panda washing machine, we lb capacity, new in 2023. After 8 months of use, the plastic off gassing is still unbearable.
I suspect my allergies flare ups are connected with this.
are there any regulations for appliances that prevent use of toxic materials?
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
yes there are many toxins that are banned or require a prop 65 declaration, see the article on why appliances have a prop 65 warning which goes over potential toxins.
Anna Axiaq
Hi Corinne,
Is it possible to find a chemical free household espresso/cappuccino machine? We contacted De Longhi Customer Care about this model of espresso/cappuccino maker ECP3630 and below is their reply. Any help you could provide would be much appreciated. Thank you so much for your time and consideration. – Anna
Dear Anna,
Thank you for contacting our Customer Care Center. We would like to assist you in resolving this matter as quickly as possible.
The machine uses a combination of materials for its internal components:
Hoses: The machine uses silicone hoses for the water supply lines and steam wand.
Connectors: The connectors and fittings are made of brass, which is a non-plastic material.
Other components: The machine’s internal components, such as the pump, heating element, and other parts, are made of stainless steel, aluminum, or copper.
Regarding the use of plastic in high-heat applications, De’Longhi does not specify any BPA-free plastic components in their product documentation. However, it’s reassuring to know that:
The machine’s water reservoir and all parts that come into contact with water are made of food-grade materials that meet international standards for food safety.
The silicone hoses used in the machine are generally safe for use with hot water and steam.
While it’s true that some plastics can leach chemicals when exposed to high temperatures, silicone is a different story. Silicone is a heat-resistant material that can withstand high temperatures without releasing harmful chemicals. It’s commonly used in applications where high-temperature resistance is required, such as in cookware, bakeware, and even some medical devices.
If you’re still concerned about plastic exposure, you can take some precautions:
Always check the manufacturer’s guidelines for cleaning and maintenance. Regularly descale and clean your machine to prevent mineral buildup.
Use a water filter or conditioner to reduce the risk of contamination from tap water.
Avoid using abrasive cleaners or scouring pads that could damage the machine’s internal components.
If you have any questions or concerns, please don’t hesitate to reach out to us.
Kind regards,
De’Longhi Group Customer Care
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
I havent looked at espresso machines before, I don’t know what the internal components usually are. BPA or other bisphenols are found in polycarbonate plastics (and epoxy but there wont be epoxy in a espresso machine I dont think)
Dora Marina Escobar Horney
Estoy muy complicada con los electrodomésticos que resulta que contienen materiales tóxicos dañinos para la salud, sin embargo los fabricantes los incluyen en los artículos que venden, al ver las marcas existentes veo que son dañinas. No se que hacer, por favor necesito que me oriente respecto a si existe en Guatemala, alguna marca sin la advertencia. Gracias
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
No estoy segura de qué marcas están disponibles en Guatemala. Allá tienen marcas estadounidenses? Yo estoy en Sudamérica, pero ni siquiera sé si las marcas aquí son las mismas que allá. Tenemos algunas marcas estadounidenses de electrodomésticos, pero otras no son estadounidenses
Cynthia Hall Ashby
Are there any washing machines that do not add Microban or a similar product? Electroluz says they use a surfactant??
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
Yes there are, just check with each one
Sarah
BOSCH UNDER COUNTER DISHWASHER UPDATE/REPORT:
It’s been 2 wks since I had a new Bosch dw installed. I’ve been running it w/o dishes once or twice a day, weather permitting, with fans arranged to create negative air pressure. I’ve been able to get the odor out of the kitchen w/o it drifting into the rest of the house, which is about the only positive thus far.
There are at least two components to the odor: (1) bitumen, and (2) plastic. A third metallic-like odor emerged after the first week that was persistent and strong such that I had to keep the dw door closed to keep the kitchen from stinking. Not sure if it came to the fore as the plastic smell receded slightly or what’s going on, but it has finally receded enough that I can keep the dw door open when not in use.
The bitumen smell was incredibly concentrated and noxious the first couple of days after which time the intensity of the smell was knocked down ever so slightly. The smell emerges with heat, so when the dw is not in use, I can’t smell the bitumen. I’ve been able to get the bitumen smell out of the kitchen in a reasonable amount of time with fans running.
In addition to the bitumen, I was surprised to discover a nasty plastic/chemical smell during after after running the machine and was able to determine it wasn’t coming from the two main racks (which are nylon coated), but rather from other components that are not nylon coated. Some can be removed for independent cleaning and off-gassing, while others are fixed. The plastic odor lingers far longer than the bitumen, so for those who may be more sensitive to plastic than bitumen, something to consider. The good news is, this smell has diminished since the first week so that I can now leave the dw door open when I’m not running it w/o it stinking up the kitchen as it was doing the first week.
In sum, while the intensity of the odors has improved slightly, the appliance is not anywhere near being about to be used for its intended purpose. It’s not viable to have a machine that requires fans running in the kitchen (a weather dependent activity) in order to remove the elements that are off-gassing. I’ll post another update in a few weeks if anything changes, but I may be on the trajectory of some Reddit commentators that it could take months before this machine can be used. Anyone thinking of buying one may want to attend to weather factors so you have more, rather than less days, when you can off gas it. Or better yet, find another product and pray for a better outcome.
A couple of recommendations:
If you have dw racks from your old appliance that are in good condition, you might want to save them should they be compatible w/a new dw. It could save you a little bit of grief in terms of odors.
Wipe out the new dw with a damp rag as another way to supplement running it to help remove any VOC’s stuck on surfaces.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
a few months is probably the minimum for someone very sensitive
Sarah
Alas, I think you are right.
Shirley Cohen
I’m happy to see that you have recommended Frigidaire air conditioners. I’ve purchased two Frigidaire window units for my home over the past decade and both have been tolerable right out of the box.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
nice that is good to hear
Sarah
TIP TO REDUCE OFF GASSING FROM NEW DISHWASHER RACKS: IF the dishwasher replacement you buy is the same brand and model as the one you’re replacing and IF the manufacturer hasn’t changed the design, consider saving your old racks. I just bought a replacement dishwasher (same brand and similar model) and wish I had done that. If I had, I could have avoided the nasty odor that’s off-gassing from the new racks. Sharing my experience should it be helpful to someone out there.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
is the polyester offgassing or is it PVC?
Sarah
The racks are nylon. I try to avoid PVC like the plaque. Haven’t been able to run the machine for a couple of days due to weather, but hope to run it tomorrow, at least once, if not twice. Why do you ask? Any and all tips are most welcome! (I’m having to keep the door closed because the plastic-ish smell leaches out. Hate to keep the door closed because I normally don’t do that, preferring to allow airflow into the machine whenever it’s not running.)
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
Just wondering because I didn’t know the polyester smelled that bad.
Sarah
Yeah, it does. If the nature of the racks wasn’t so unwieldy, I’d scrub them by hand but they’re so big and there’s so much surface to deal with it’s just not practice. I’m really hoping they’ll off gas with time (hurry up kind of time!) and trying some of your tips!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
if it is the racks then putting them in the sun will help
Sarah
Correction: Upon further sleuthing, it seems the nylon racks don’t smell very much. However, there are some accessories that seem to be a different type of material, like a traditional plastic of the sort used in cars, and those things stink! For example, there’s a handle in the front of the top rack that you can grab and I think the utensil piece that’s separate is also made of that material. Not sure if there are a few more things as well. Maybe the water rotation things. Not sure about them. But, wow, even though it’s a small total area, it smells.
I realize I’ve posted a lot of things about this machine and would be happy to write on single post summarizing if you want and then you can just remove all these other posts. Let me know.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
i think it’s fine in multiple comments. that makes sense that it’s not the polyester racks.
Sarah
BOSCH DW UPDATE #2: Dishwasher stopped running. Let is sit w/the door closed for an hour, then opened the door, dreading a blast of bitumen. To my surprise, I got a blast of something that smelled like a cross btwn plastic and rubber. It kind of smelled like a tire store. But the intensity of the smell suggests I’ll be able to get it out of my kitchen reasonably fast. I’ve read complaints (there are a few Reddit threads about it) about plastic smells, as well. Corrine, do you think running the appliance w/dishwasher soap or anything else would speed things up? It seems unlikely, but thought I’d ask. I’ve read several comments on Reddit that people ran the appliance while trying to off gas it on a setting that’s just super high heat to accelerate the process and others who tried vinegar, baking soda, etc, to no avail.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
vinegar can help with plastic smells. So can essential oils, if there is a way to add that to the soap. Either citrus or peppermint can help break down certain VOCs.
Sarah
Thank you so much, Corinne. I’ll give some of that a try. Much appreciated.
Sarah
BOSCH DISHWASHER UPDATE: Just bought a Bosch. Running it now. And OMG, the stench is overpowering! I’ve got windows open, fans running, air purifier running. The smell is incredibly strong, like when you’re on the road and get stuck behind one of those steaming asphalt trucks. I’m dreading when I have to open the machine door. Will try to off gas it over the next couple of weeks, running it on good weather days when I can open the house up and see if I can off gas this to a reasonable level. But for now, Day 1, the smell is absolutely overpowering. Splitting headache starting. It is maddening to think this is supposed to be acceptable for a person to have in their home. Will write an update after a couple of weeks assuming I can get the smell out of the house completely once it stops running and I open the dishwasher door.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
that is one of the brands i consistently see complaints about
Sarah
Yup. It’s all such a mixed bag with numerous variables to consider including customer service, local authorized repair people, other issues/problems unrelated to odor, and on and on. What’s wierd is on a few Reddit threads, off-gassing is all over the map. Some folks are able to knock it down significantly after a couple of weeks while others can’t. Of course, olfactory sensitivity varies from person to person so it’s hard to know if there really is that much variation among the machines. It’s hard to imagine there would be. I’ll post another update after a couple of weeks if it seems feasible to try to off-gas it enough. Otherwise, I’m back to square one. Ssssooooo frustrating!!!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
yes i hope you can offgas it, for the majority of non sensitive people they probably would not notice the odor after a couple of weeks, that does sound right. whereas sensitive people can notice it for a long time.
Lore
I have to buy a new washing machine/ dryer combo.
I am concerned about the front loaders because of the seal, that there might be
out-gassing if they are rubber. Anyone know about that?
So I was focusing on what I already have called a ‘piggy back’ it’s a top loader washing machine with the dryer on top on a kind of rack.
I was also trying to find out what brands in combos like that might have a ‘gear driven’ dryer instead of the belt, but no luck.
Any help appreciated!
SG
Can you please confirm that the model number for the GE dishwasher GDP630PYR5FS is correct? I’m having some difficulty finding it online.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
it may not be available anymore
Sarah
My husband and I have been looking for a dishwasher for months, checking out everything recommended on this page. I’m pretty sure we looked into that one and if you put keywords into your search for “GE dishwasher model number GDP630PYR5FS you’ll find it on GE’s website.
Zac
Is it only dishwashers that contain bitumen, or do stainless steel refrigerators also contain it? We are looking to get a refrigerator and are hoping to make the right decision.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
dishwashers
Sarah
Anyone with input on Fisher & Paykel dishwasher?
Sarah
Anyone have experience with Miele dishwashers? I’ve read that Miele’s bitumen is encased somehow so there’s no off-gassing. I’m suspicious but will look into this further, but if Corrine or any readers have anything to say about this brand for a dishwasher, I’m all ears!
Sarah
Corrine. Feel free to delete my question. I just read on your overview that Miele presumably encases the bitumen. Sorry. You spend so much time researching and reporting. I hate to have missed something and then ask a question you’ve already answered. Sorry. And thanks for deleting these two posts (though I would still be curious to hear if any readers have had any experiences with the Miele.
David
Miele has communicated to me that their dishwashers have exposed bitumen on the top of the stainless tub. They have (to some extent) enclosed bitumen in other locations on the machines. People who are sensitive to bitumen emissions have reported problems with Miele dishwashers.
Sarah
Thank you so much for replying and sharing this info. I really appreciate it. I called Miele and they were not forthcoming with information (which is a red flag in itself), so it helps enormously to read what you wrote. If you’re inclined to share, I’d love to hear what you and your wife bought to replace the stinky LG. My husband and I are struggling to figure out what to buy and is made that much more difficult because no one will accept the machine back for a refund if it’s been used, but you can’t really know if it off gases badly until it’s used (though your hair dryer trick was clever).
Mike
Hello! I’m also in the process of looking for a dishwasher for a new kitchen. In this thread [1], it shows the Miele dishwasher and that the “enclosure” is just the sides of the dishwasher as opposed to the bitumen being sealed in with a vapor-proof seal.
We’re thinking about seeing if we can get AFM RoofGuard to seal the bitumen in, but it’s a little difficult to get the full range of AFM products in Europe.
[1] https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6218831/any-suggestions-for-dishwashers-free-of-bitumin
Sarah
Thank you for checking this thread and replying!!! I appreciate all your help. I think I would be nervous about trying to seal something in, especially in a machine that gets very hot and has water running in it. It sounds like you’d like to try. I hope you can get the product(s) you need in Europe.
PS It’s interesting how many of these companies don’t seem to know the specs for their products and/or don’t want to divulge. Very annoying and frustrating.
David
Just today (03/02/24) received (and returned) an LG Dishwasher LDTH7972D (black stainless), as I had been led to believe it had no bitumen cladding (by LG staff). It is in fact clad with bitumen on top, back, and sides (and possibly within the door). Tested the suspected bitumen by heating with a hairdryer for a minute: intense asphalt odor. This test saved me the trouble of installing it and running it and stinking up the entire house. The fumes make my wife and me acutely ill. Will probably have to get a plastic tub/plastic door interior dishwasher. LG was responsive and authorized return and refund through Home Depot (which must be handled within 48 hours of appliance delivery).
Corinne Segura
thanks for sharing your experience
David
Might my post be amended to just have my first name used?
If not, can it be deleted, so that I might re-post with just a first name? Thanks!
Sarah
Your post was so helpful and very timely as my husband and I need to replace our dishwasher and are going round and round trying to figure out which will be the least offensive odor-wise. We had LG on the list (I think because a commentator here had positive things to say about it), but after reading your post we’re reluctant to try it.
Your trick to prompt off-gassing was also brilliant (though sorry to hear you and your wife got ill from the toxins being released).
It’s very challenging to sort all of this out because you can’t return a dishwasher if it’s been used and other than the darned thing stinking right out of the box, you can’t know until you run it/heat it up. So we appreciate your work around to test the off-gassing w/o installing the unit and using it, which means you can’t return it at that point.
Pam
This is so helpful and also frustrating because LG keeps saying they don’t use bitumen in their dishwashers! Did you confirm with LG that it is in that model or are you just going by smell? I’m wondering if there is something else that is smelly (which is no better, just more of a curiosity and litmus test for the honesty of the company).
Sarah
Hi Pam.
I’ve been down the dishwasher rabbit hole for a couple of months now. It’s hard to know what to believe, but it does seem that LG consistently says their dishwashers don’t use bitumen. If true, I have to assume they use something to dampen the noise and there’s nothing to say that material wouldn’t smell.
There’s a long thread at Houzz about dishwashers and bitumen and about a third of the way down there’s a lot of discussion about LG should you find any of this useful:
https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6218831/any-suggestions-for-dishwashers-free-of-bitumin
Here’s another long thread about finding a dishwasher with less toxic materials than others:
https://raisingnaturalkids.com/in-the-market-for-a-dishwasher-why-i-have-been-without-one-for-over-a-month/
Another option is to go to a big box store website like Lowes and read reviews for the product you’re considering, though in my experience a lot of people just aren’t very sensitive to odor so even a bunch of good reviews may not mean much.
Also, while researching and checking out different dishwashers, an experienced salesperson in one place discouraged us from buying an LG because she said it’s very difficult to get parts and hard to find authorized repair people. So if that’s a concern for you, it’s something to think about. The repair part can be a big deal because in order not to void a warranty, I think most manufacturers require that repairs be done by authorized technicians. So you may want to make sure there is someone in your area if this matters to you.
I’ve gone round and round for so long trying to find a dishwasher that I think I’m just going to take a leap of faith and buy one and see how it goes. I’m convinced there’s no info out there and no appliance that gives me a lot of confidence, so I just need to try one. Not looking forward to it. Will post my experience with whatever I get.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
please do post your experience
Sarah
I absolutely will. Bracing myself, but realized I had to make a decision as no additional research would provide the assurance I was seeking.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
Someone just commented this on another post “Maytag dishwasher model #MDB4949SKZ. I went to the Whirlpool.com customer service chat feature to ask if the appliance uses Bitumen for the insulation and the response I got back was, “The insulation blanket is made of polyester fiber insulation blanket or fiberglass blanket.” I *did not* do any further verification beyond this”
but she said she has used it and is happy so far.
Pam
Thank you for sharing all of that! It’s very helpful.
Sarah
Thanks for posting that info. I’ve ordered a dishwasher so am in a holding pattern right now, but was curious about the dishwasher you posted and am sharing a few things I found online should it be helpful to readers. (Info gathered at review sites and reviews at big box stores that sell the appliances).
Overall, it’s well reviewed. Complaints seem focused on: lack of customizability (Did I just make up a word?!), (2) poor value if purchased at full price, (3) rust issues, and (4) doesn’t get the dishes clean (Eek!). I didn’t find any comments about odor. I found one online site that addressed this brand and bitumen. The info was from 2019, so it may not be relevant, but it said Maytag uses bitumen in all their models to varying degrees, with stainless steel models using it on all sides, and plastic tub models using it in the door only, which seems like a pretty standard use across manufacturers.
It’s very frustrating that specs for these appliances don’t have info about bitumen and it’s not easy to find resources that are reliable. (Salespeople often don’t know, reps are often misinformed, and depending on who answers the phone at the manuafacture you may, or may not get reliable, consistent info.)
Steve
LG is at best misinformed, and at worst dishonest about it.
Before buying my LG dishwasher I contacted them no less than 3 times and was told that not only did my model not contain bitumen, but that no LG dishwashers contain bitumen. Fantastic! Then the dishwasher arrived with bitumen matting baked onto all sides and the top (that I could see / smell). Contacted LG again and was told the same thing, that LG doesn’t use bitumen, and uses other materials instead, because they’re concerned about indoor air quality. I showed them the photo of it and asked them to tell me exactly what it was made out of, and then they admitted that is actually IS bitumen, but that they don’t use bitumen on the inside. Returned it. Still don’t have a dishwasher because I can’t find one without bitumen.
Steve
Nearly the same thing happened to me with LG.
Gera
Hello corrinne,
I bought two kitchen appliances.The first one is a vitamix 2500 and the other one is a weber e-315 gas barbecue.I have mcs but wasnt overly sensitive.After I painted using a wrong wood paint(benjamin moore aura satinwood) ,I started reacting to even christmas ornaments and things I never reacted to.I already used to react to and get cold sensations with devices like phones and laptops .I do appreciate what you do and hope you can help me.My questions are:
1)I turned on the new vitamix blender for just few mins in the kitchen without anything in it to test that it was working about 3 times and it had a smell and I reacted badly to that smell for days even though I packed up the blender away.I have not been able to use it again for fear of reacting to it.I read that it doesnt have prop 65 so I am confused as to what to do .any advice for me?or would a kitchen aid with metal base and glass jar be better?
2)I bought an exdisplay shop floor e315 gas barbecue and now wondering If it the gas canister will be suitable for me since it will be outdoors or if I should sell and go for electric instead.
3)I am looking to replace a broken TV with an lg or samsung .Does it need offgassing If I will be sleeping in the same room.Pls help with advice and I will truly appreciate if you answer my questions.
Blessings
Lozy
Caroline
Hi! Have used your site throughout our whole-house remodel and am stuck on the last area. Although I would prefer a top loader, due to the constructs of our current set-up, our washing machine & dryer options are limited to the GE all in one or a stackable Miele. GE advertises microban “protection” in the gasket, drawers, etc. Despite repeated attempts to get information regarding what the microban protection is to Microban and GE, nobody has shared what Microban Technology is utilized. The Miele is definitely smaller. I do like that the GE would eliminate wet clothes sitting. Any input on which direction you would head? Need ventless dryer & 120V and limited footprint.
Corinne Segura
Microban can just be silver without knowing what it is there is no way to know if it’s good other than to try to check one out for yourself.
Liss
Hi Caroline,
I’m trying to find a stackable washer and dryer. Which one did you pick to be the least toxic? Do you like it?
Charlotte
Caroline, did you ever get additional info about Microban? What did y’all decide? We’re trying to decide between GE Profile and another ventless dryer… But we don’t feel comfortable that the Microban is in the GE – I wish it could be an add-on!
Corinne, would you be comfortable buying the GE Profile with Microban?
Thanks, y’all!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
I would if that was the only option, if I was still chemically sensitive I would also sniff that part, some of the antimicrobials will have an odor others like silver would not have any odor and be fine.
Kris
HI,
You had this linked in your article can you give me the toxic free run down on it? IMUSA USA GAU-80306 Electric Double Burner 1750-Watts , Black.
Corinne Segura
it’s just one i found to be good when I was highly sensitive, in terms of offgassing.
Jessica
Hello! Please Help! Hi! Corinne, I saw you are on vacation from emails, but I need help. So if anyone out there in the community can help, I’d appreciate it. Our old washer completely broke so we just purchased a new one on sale. I read your above posts and went with a brand without a Prop 65 warning; an Electrolux Washer, Model: ELFW7637AW. We got it delivered 4 days ago and I guess the gasket has an antimicrobial treatment on it (or built into it? I’m not sure). It smells strongly of a perfume smell when it’s working and when I leave the door open to dry it out, and even when it’s not working. I have tried vinegar and the washing machine self-cleaning cycle (still need to try baking soda next), but the strong chemical perfume smell still is there. I have MCS and the smell makes my eyes burn and makes me feel a little light-headed. However, the floor model in the store where we purchased it did not smell, I would have noticed. I am emailing Electrolux, but I am not sure they will be helpful.
All this to ask, does anyone have experience with this brand? Will the smell off-gas? And more importantly, will the chemical treatment stay in the gasket, therefore affecting my clothing and linen which goes into the washer? (and which I use special non-toxic detergent for). I am really debating if I can return or not, possibly for a SpeedQueen (but another post deterred me) or a Miele? Any help is so much appreciated. Thank you! 🙂
Posts that helped me feel less alone (but no solutions or solid facts):
1. https://www.houzz.com/discussions/2827108/electrolux-perfumed-smell
2. https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6151235/antimicrobial-gasket-in-electrolux-627-and-lg-4000-washer
🙂
Corinne Segura
If we don’t know what the chemical is we really can’t answer that. Will it go down with time, yes certainly, all scented things do. heat and time help. you can also run things like borax or ammonia through. will that be enough to bring it down for you, no one can answer that unless they have the exact same level of sensitivities as you.
Jessica
Corinne, thank you so so much for replying! I really appreciate it! 🙂 Your website and home consulting have helped me so much over the last few years.
I will contact Electrolux tomorrow during their business hours and will update you if they can hopefully tell me what chemicals are used in the gasket treatment. I am hoping nothing harmful, since it specifically does not have a Prop 65 Warning, as you stated in your post. I will try ammonia or borax as well. If these cleanings don’t work, I may return it if I can manage that, and hope that I can do better with a Speed Queen, as I know you said many people with sensitivities do well with them. (It was just the Prop 65 Warning and another post in here that made me second guess). I was also looking at a Top Load LG (if anyone has has any info about LGs, I’d love to know), but I know they have a Prop 65 Warning as well. Prop 65 Warnings are so tricky. I will update and share with this community again tomorrow once hopefully Electrolux gives me more answers.
Corinne Segura
ok thanks for the update and make sure a non sensitive person uses the ammonia. also if the gasket is visible maybe you can just replace that part.
Jessica
Thank you Corinne! Will do, thanks. And I tried chat and a phone call today with Electrolux. The chat agent said they add a lavender scent but could not provide further details. On the phone, a supervisor said she will ask the engineering department and get back to me by January 2nd. I will update again when I hear back. I am unsure if I should return it for a Speed Queen or keep it and see what else I can do.
Corinne Segura
im glad they said there is a scent added
Jennifer
I have owned two different LG top loads and there hasn’t been any smell from scented products. The last one was purchased two months ago.
Pam
I purchased an LG top-loading washer and dryer in 2020, and the washer definitely smelled. It smelled like petrochemicals. I thankfully have an exhaust fan in my laundry room, so I ran that a lot when we first got it. It took a couple months to get to where I don’t smell it anymore. The machine cleans well and didn’t have stinky sample products in it (bought from Costco.com).
Jupiter Moon
So, I have finally found a new dishwasher model without bitumen, that has a stainless steel interior. An LG. I am not sure if all newer LG’s have moved away from bitumen or just some models. But, this model in this link, in the Q & A, the company spokesperson stated that it contains NO BITUMEN. See the Q & A for details. Finally, after a 3 year search, we found a model. We ordered it and it’s being installed next week. You can find this model at your local Lowes or Home Depot stores.
This is the specific question and answer as listed on this model:
Q: ??? Concerning dishwasher Model #LDTH7972S:
1-What is the tub insulation damping sheet made of?
2-Does the dishwasher have any bitumen in it?
3-Is there a Prop 65 California warning on this model?
Mahalo
Susie74
7 MONTHS AGO
1 ANSWER
A: Hi Susie74. Bitumen, also known as asphalt, is a sticky, black, liquid or semi-solid form of petroleum that’s widely used in dishwashers as a sound-deadening insulation. It is not used on the LG Smart Top Control Dishwasher with 1-Hour Wash & Dry, QuadWash® Pro, TrueSteam®, and Dynamic Heat Dry™, Model # LDTH7972S.
Foam felt, and fiberglass insulation are some of the most common types of dishwasher insulation and the newer insulation material available on the market is ceramic fiber. This material helps to provide good sound, heat, and vibration insulation.
Prop 65 can also be found for electrical cords for appliances so the dishwasher has aProp 65 warning as is required for all products that might find their way to California…^Ivan
LG Digital Care
7 MONTHS AGO
https://www.lg.com/us/dishwashers/lg-ldth7972s-top-control-dishwasher
Sarah
Need to buy a new dishwasher. In addition to everything Corrine has researched and shared, your post was also very helpful! Thank you for taking the time to write that up!
David
I also received info from LG saying LDTH7972 was bitumen-free. In fact it has exposed bitumen mats (under the felt insulation pad) on the top, sides, and back. It probably has a bitumen mat inside the door as well. One cannot rely on what this manufacturer states.
Corinne
Thanks for sharing. Yeah the reps can be wrong as they tend to not have all the info and rarely have ever seen the product. What was the letter at the end of the LDTH7972 code?
Steve
Be careful here. LG told me the same exact thing about the same exact dishwasher, except in black instead of stainless (the S at the end of the model #). When it arrived, it had a bitumen coating baked on all the sides and the top, and they STILL tried to tell me they don’t use bitumen. Then after I showed it to them and asked what it was, they admitted it actually is bitumen. Others have reported a similar experience.
I find it improbable that the same dishwasher would have bitumen coating around the sides and top of the tub on one color, and not another color.
Jennifer
Hi Corinne,
I need to purchase a new clothes dryer and wondering if it matters if I buy a dryer with an Aluminized Alloy Steel drum vs a Stainless Steel drum. Are both of those options safe? Do you have a recommendation of one over the other?
Thanks!
Jennifer
Corinne Segura
It doesn’t matter either way
Kaye B
Thank you so much for your work and website. It is so refreshing to have your site pop up first thing when I googled nontoxic washing machines. EI for 30 years and used to have to dig and dig for such info. Bravo! And many thanks.
Diane Perez
If doing a new build, is it ok to run all of the appliances at the same-ish time to do the offgassing or do you recommend putting them someplace else to run ?
I would not be able to run the dishwasher or washer in a garage.
Corinne
Depends on how sensitive you are and how much ventilation you can get going while running them inside. Plus how much time you have to wait for everything to offgas. But the key to offgassing them inside would definitely be ventilation.
Pam
I just had a Speed Queen Classic washing machine delivered today, and it smells very strong. I’m not overly concerned about it because it’s just the first day, but the Whirlpool I bought a few years ago didn’t smell this strong. I’m slightly worried that there could be formaldehyde somewhere in the washing machine (although I have no reason to think that, other than my throat is so scratchy and my head hurts. But that is a reaction I get to a lot of chemicals.) The only reason I’m worried about possible formaldehyde is because I bought a computer a few years ago that made me feel this way, and I learned that it actually DID have formaldehyde in it. Who would have ever though a computer would have it in there. No other computer has ever bothered me like that. So, I’m a little jittery about this new Speed Queen. Hopefully, it will offgass quickly! I wanted one that would last a long time, which is why we bought it. If any other readers have had one, I’d love to hear your experience.
Corinne
oh wow ive never heard of someone doing badly with it before. please update with how it goes.
Pam
Hi Corinne, I would love to update you. Do you mind emailing me? I am very, very sensitive, so I’m not surprised I reacted to a new appliance. The machine is wonderful and built like a tank, has amazingly short cycles and would probably last forever, but I am so very sensitive that I react to the tiniest bits of things.
Corinne
Please update here once you offgas it or don’t offgas it. because it’s for the readers who might now not want to go with that brand. that brand has been a go-to for many years.
Pam
I don’t want to publicly bash a well loved brand, which I know Speed Queen is. I hear, often, how much people love theirs and how well made they are. I am extremely sensitive, even to some very innocuous and harmless smells, so I did return mine, as the new appliance smell was too strong for me. It killed me to return it because I loved it in every other way. I then bought a brand I’ve had before, but I am reacting to it, too. I’ve closed the door to the laundry room, and luckily there’s a window in there, so I’m hoping it will offgas quickly. I hate having these sensitivities. Mine seem to be worsening, as I didn’t react to the washer I bought a few years ago.
Kathy
Pam, I bought Speed Queen 2 years ago with zero problem but just bought another in recent weeks for another home, assuming it would be the same, but the new ones have a very strong odor despite all methods of airing. It definitely isn’t just you. The smell right out of the box was unlike my previous Speed Queen experiences and different than anything I’ve smelled before. It was the same in both the washer and, even stronger, the dryer. I am reasonably sensitive, but usually not like this.. Something has changed with Speed Queens. Like you I have finally decided they have to go. Did you find it difficult to return? Did you contact Speed Queen or the sellers?
Thank you for sharing your experience! It has helped me.
Kathy
Following up to say Speed Queen refused to offer any kind of help when I called about my sensitivity to the new machines. It is “their policy.” They told me to call the dealer, who already told me to call Speed Queen, or try selling them myself.
lore
Hi Kathy,
I have to purchase a new washer/dryer.
I’d appreciate any info you have on machines you purchased after you returned the speed queens.
Sarah
I have a Speed Queen washer and dryer. Purchased around 2018. Bought them for the simplicity of design vs a bunch of bells and whistles I don’t want. Have had no issues with either one at all regarding smell. Also, have found Speed Queen customer service to be very responsive (though haven’t need to call them for a few years so who knows how it is now). Hope the problem cleared up.
lore
Hi Pam,
Were you able to find machines that you could tolerate?
I have to buy a new washer/ dryer (last purchased decades ago)
and am really concerned about all the current issues with off gassing
Chelsey
Hi! Thanks for this post. For the washing machine, I am wondering why belt drive is worse than direct motor for extra sensitive folks? I’ve just purchased a washer with belt drive (without even thinking much about it), and I’m wondering now if I’ll have regrets…
Corinne
im not sure but I’m assuming it’s the rubber material of the belt. could be something else as this is just the experience of the super sensitive.
Jean
I have a new GE freestanding electric range and can’t get rid of the toxic smell. I did the burn off six times so far and no difference. Even had the broil element changed I’m ready to throw it out to the curb.
I’m going to try to return it to the store….but what else would I get??
Are there any makes that don’t stink?? I’m open to any suggestions.
Thanks.C
Corinne
I offgassed mine for a month when highly sensitive
Sarah
Went through a similar thing. It eventually off-gassed, at least to a tolerable point, but it took a while. I’m highly sensitive. Keep in mind that anxiety heightens all our senses and smell especially, so it can be a challenging cycle for those of us who are sensitive in these ways. Hang in there. I think you’ll get there and it won’t take months and months and months.
Kaye B
I found the toxic smell was coming from label adhesive residue left on top of oven door. Once it was removed it was fine.
Rachel
Hello, The house that I’m living in had a new dishwasher installed in February. I hand washed everything for a few weeks, but eventually started using the dishwasher which I believe was a mistake and I think I’m having a reaction to it. I don’t smell any tar smell but there is a distinct chemical smell every time I open the dishwasher. When it was first installed, I reacted, even just by standing next to it.
Would it be sufficient to just stop using the dishwasher and wash everything by hand? Or do I need to have it uninstalled and stored in my garage?
Corinne
I can’t make that call for anyone it depends on how sensitive you are. Ideally you use it once in a while to slowly offgas it, if you have the desire to use it in the future.
Carol Pfeifer
My 2 year old Bosch 800 series stinks every time i used it. To unload, I have to open it, open the windows and leave the room.
Sarah
So glad you posted that. My old dishwasher broke and I was considering buying another Bosch, but was concerned about dealing w/the very problem you mention. And after reading about how dishwashers need to be run several times a week to keep them in good working order, I’ve been unsure about what to do. I hate to spend money on a new dishwasher only to discover it sinks, but if I don’t use it on some kind of regular basis, parts will start to deteriorate. If you see my post, can you let me know how long it seems to take for the smell to dissipate? It’s very discouraging that you’re still having this issue 2 years post purchase. ugh.
Sarah
PS Did/does the appliance smell if not used?
Sarah
Ditto to what Corinne said, especially about the option to use it in the future. Apparently dishwashers need to be run about 5 days per week to remain in good working order. So if you plan to stop using your dishwasher for an extended period of time, you could be setting yourself up for parts deteriorating and such. There’s a lot of info out there on the internet about it so you may want to familiarize yourself.
Rae
Do you have any information on chest freezers? I recently bought a small chest freezer and it smells so bad inside. It smells of chemicals though not a typical plastic smell. I cleaned it really well and aired it out. I turned it on empty for a day to make sure it worked but when I opened it again the smell was back just as strong. It has the CA warning label on it as well. I don’t want to put food in it!
Are there any safe models?
I scanned previous posts and I am sorry if you already covered this.
Thank you
Sarah
Had a similar experience last year after buying a chest freezer. What helped enormously was washing it out with baking soda and water. I don’t recall if we did it once or had to do it twice, but it made a significant improvement that suggested to me that most of what was off-gassing was on the surface and not a material that was going to continue to off gas for a really long time on it’s own.
Jonathan Farrar
Thank you so much for your awesome work, you have helped my family immensely.
In terms of furniture and appliances would you recommend getting them secondhand to prevent from offgasses?
Thank you!
Corinne
You could if that works better for you… if you’re not super sensitive to cleaning products, chemicals or mold from other people’s houses.
Marcy
Are IKEA appliances overall any better? I always appreciate shopping at IKEA because I don’t detect as many harsh chemical smells overall in their buildings and products.
Corinne
They tend to be ahead of the curve on toxin removal but I don’t have any specific info on their appliances.
Amanda
Hi Corrine,
I just purchased a Whirlpool 2-in-1 washer and matching dryer. I have had it less than one day and it is offgassing a lot of fumes and emitting strong EMF (I disable WiFi like the guy at the store said I could do with this model but low and behold it keeps reconnecting). So sad and disheartened by all this. I really thought it would be ok because it seemed totally fine at the store.
Do you have recs on gear driven brands of washers besides Speed Queen? Seems all the new generation washer/dryers are belt driven.
..Also do you have any recs on cell phones for chemically/EMF sensitive? I have an iPhone 6 I seem to be ok with but when it inevitably stops working I don’t know what to do. I have tried upgrading a few times to newer iPhones but each time I had to return immediately because they made me sick esp once activated.
lore
Hi Amanda
I have to purchase a new washer/ dryer and am terrified.
How did it go with your whirlpools? Did they out-gas or did you purchase something else?
any help greatly appreciated
Elizabeth c Upton
Do you know of any ovens with no PFAS inside? I was PFAS poisoned before birth and trying to figure out if my oven is now contributing more. 😛
Sherry
Hi, Is there a stove/oven without a proposition 65 warning that would not make a sensitive person sick, or is it best to buy used stoves, and if so, how old should they be to not have off gassing anymore? Thank you so much for any help you can give.
John Quinn
Same question
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
here are the options without prop 65 but this does not correspond to brands that are better for the chemically sensitive in terms of offgassing. All new ovens are going to have new offgassing odor and how long it takes to offgas depends on the exact oven and how sensitive a person is. It can take a month of full time use for many people and for the most extremely sensitive it might take years. For used ovens you have to be aware of toxic self cleaning chemicals and other chemicals used to clean it.
Stacy
Hi Corinne –
I had this same question – looking for an electric stove that doesn’t produce the toxins that our gas one does. I had no idea. You mention “here are the options” but didn’t see a list or link in your post on March 7, 2024 at 9:55am above.
You truly are an amazing resource -I’ve been learning so much from your site as I am learning more about how to make my home as toxin free as possible for my health condition! Appreciate you so much!
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
prop 65 is not going to correspond to ovens that are better for the chemically sensitive necessarily but here is the post https://www.mychemicalfreehouse.net/2023/06/why-most-appliances-have-a-prop-65-warning-brands-that-dont.html
Stacy
Thank you for putting the link – I think I read that question wrong now that I re-read it again. Sorry! I was looking for suggestions for oven/stoves outside of the ones you mentioned above. I’m finding it difficult to find any Liebherr or Blomberg ovens locally to me. Are there any ‘mainstream’ electric ranges you feel comfortable recommending? I just called a local appliance company who said “Beko” is a sister company to Blomberg that they do carry. Didn’t know if maybe you knew of them at all. Thank you again.
Corinne Segura, Building Biologist
everything i recommend is in those two articles
Alex
Thanks for the post!
In terms of non-toxic sinks, you say what is toxic but what is the best material to go for? I need both a bathroom and kitchen sink, I’d love a farmhouse style for the kitchen – is stone or cement or marble safe?
Corinne
I’ve updated the sink section of the article!
Alex
Thank you!
Tami
Corinne, Thank you for your work you do and all the knowledge its So appreciated! I would have thought stainless choice for a dishwasher was better. So surprising to see that no a Polypropylene tub is a better choice. When a Polypropylene tub inside a dishwasher is in dry cycle does it heat up enough to cause toxins off gassing? I read that a dishwasher heats to 140 degrees, and Polypropylene is not a problem, until it heats to something like 240 degrees? I wondered if you could shed more light on this. Stainless steel is 2 x the cost of the Polypropylene tub of a dishwasher so its good to know, before I buy a stainless steel one “thinking” I was buying a healthier option. THANK YOU Corinne!!!!!
Corinne
PP is quite stable, I don’t have any problem with or notice any offgassing off hard PP. If you are extremely chemically sensitive you will have to test this.
Emily
Hi Corrine,
Any brand you recommend for dishwashers without bitumen and/or with nylon coating?
I am trying very hard to get this information form manufacturers but customer service representatives do not have the answers, nor do sales persons.
Thank you for your help!
Emily
Corinne
I mention the ones I know about in this post
Michael Mac.
Hello, thank you for so much great information! My question is in regards to this portion about clothes washers: “ Many very sensitive folks like the Retro Speed Queen.” I have searched high and low and cannot find any reference to this model, so I am wondering if you can recall who recommended it, and where they found it? OR, is it that the suggestion was to find a retro model, and not that the actual model NAME was “retro”? Thanks so much for your time!
Corinne
Oh yeah sorry about that, I think it’s just the speed queen that ppl do well with. Definitely the most recommended.
Jessica Marickovich
Hi! I’m trying to decide if I should invest in a convection oven for my counter. You did include an Amazon link to one in the post & I appreciate that (I currently have it in my cart waiting!) but I guess my question is are they actually less toxic/safer than a regular electric glass top stove/oven? What would be the reason we would want to use a convection oven over a regular oven?
emjay
I have electric oil filled radiator heaters in a couple places in my older house that don’t have any other heat. My old heaters worked fine, but new ones off-gas horribly, I tried to off gas one for a year in a separate storage shed and it didn’t work! I could still smell it, irritating my lungs and swelling bronchial passages–I have asthma and chemical sensitivities that make me dizzy and brain fogged. I would love to know if there any any brands that do not offgas or offgas less even. I have gone to Goodwill and St. Vinnie’s and managed to find older heaters and when these break, I’m not sure what I can do.
Corinne
There is a post on heaters. But yes for the most extremely sensitive I have heard that before about radiator-type portable heaters.
Corinne
In the pull down hose? I would use pex there.
Kristi
Dear Corrine, I have a serious problem with new refrigerators, and while I noticed that you no longer cover appliances, could you steer me toward any possible sources of help and information? I’m desperate – and I have no idea where to start! Could you connect me with others who have had experience with this problem? We in the MCS community should all join together and write to someone who could help us. Healthier appliances are needed for everyone. But who can we write to? Thank you so much for the much-needed help you are providing so many!
Corinne
I would join the Facebook group EI Safe Housing. I do keep track as best I can the appliances that folks do well or better with but this was never a topic I could cover as I would need to have a lot of experience seeing all these appliances when brand new myself.
Nicole
Kristi, I have extreme chemical sensitivities, allergies and autoimmune diseases. After fretting and hunting for months for a new fridge, I nervously selected a pure stainless (not smudge proof) Whirlpool side by side. I found an appliance store willing to remove all packaging and plastic, wipe it with water and baking soda only, start it and run it at their store for a week.
Other than a very slight ‘new’ plastic scent ‘only’ when opening, there was NO issue for me. And that vanished in weeks. I have been thrilled with this fridge and no smells or issues. Now to find a new stove and dishwasher. Ugh. It should not be this hard.
Btw, as keep our stainless fridge clean with damp cloth to clean, then wipe ‘on’ olive oil with clean cloth- then buff… This keeps it looking new and no nasty chemicals they recommended.
Tom
I purchased a Bosch SHEM63W52N dishwasher in Alberta, Canada. It arrived last week. I noticed odor like a tar last week when I run for the first time. It’s the sixth day and the odor is so strong I get a headache when I’m downstairs in the house. I will be retuning it to the store this week. It appears to me it is the sound proofing coating on the stainless-steel tub of the dishwasher is the source. I will be installing my old Inglis dishwasher back as it runs fine but it’s a bit noisy, but I can live with that vs the smelly toxic odor. What a shame Bosch, I though the German engineering could do better.
Corinne
Yes it’s the bitumen around it that smells.
Kayleigh
No, it’s not the surrounding insulation only. We through that out immediately and thought our new LG dishwasher wouldn’t stink if we opted out of that outer fluff.
3 weeks later and the smell while running was still so strong my husband moved out of the house because the smell at night would make him sick. Having to sleep out in the trailer is ridiculous for such a “high-end” appliance. Getting a new one. Came here to get some insight on one that hopefully doesn’t stink so much…
Kayleigh
Sorry disregard. I reread the article and realized the bitimum is different from that gross fluff around it.. maybe we screwed ourselves by taking that off.. sheesh.
Julielu
Editing needed? * DRIVE * ?
“For a top loader it is best to use a model with a metal drum. Look for gear *dry*, not belt *dry*.”
Also why so?
So glad to stumble onto your site. I had no idea that such materials were being used as insulation in dish or clothes washing machines!
Carla
Hi,
My husband just purchased a Galanz Retro top mount refrigerator 12 cu ft (red stainless steel front) for our basement game room area. It has a Califronia residents only warning sticker on box: says cancer and reproductive harm. http://www.P65Warnings.ca.gov . The warning made me nervous but a local appliance store said all appliances have that warning and it likely is the rubber cord. We are not chemically sensitive but just want to buy a non toxic appliance. Can you tell us if this is a safe choice and if there are any questions you would ask to ensure the refrigerator doesn’t pose any harm?
With much gratitude! Thank you!!
Ashley
Hi Carla, my family and I just bought a Samsung fridge that came with that same warning. What did you end up doing? I’m a bit nervous about it but all the other fridges I saw on Home Depot pretty much have it too… not sure if it’s something we should worry about. Would appreciate it if anyone had any more info on this too! Thank you!
Danielle
Hi- is it possible to find a large toaster oven air fryer combo that does not have toxins? most seem to be coated in nonstick materials or enamel which aren’t safe. thank you
George Seurat
Same issue here. Have owned two Cuisinart TOA-60BKS Convection Toaster Oven Airfryers now, and both times I have had to gas them off over 10 hours to prevent them from making us sick. One of them died after 7 months, so gassing it off for a month could be 10% of its utility used up…really someone needs to set a higher bar than inserting toxic burning things like this into my kitchen.
Marie
Hi there,
Thank you for this. I learned a lot, but also do not have any reassurance as there is sort of lots of doom and gloom and not many options.
When you say “most recommend” where do you get your data?
When you suggest to clean any harsh chemicals from previously-owned appliances, how would you go about doing this (and safely)?
Many thanks!
Corinne
If it says recommended by chemically sensitive folks that comes from polling the most sensitive of the sensitive over the last 8 years. More on what data I use on this site
Hailey
I arrived at this article because we just purchased a GE dishwasher (happens to be a portable model, but I believe the only difference is that it’s in a case, rather than installed beneath the counter.) The new GE dishwasher is off-gassing HORRIBLY! The first time we ran it, we were instantly overwhelmed with the odor, and even opening every window and vent/fan/purifier couldn’t mitigate it. Subsequent cycles are just as bad. I’m SHOCKED by how strong it is, and it makes us feel ill. Upon a google-search, I found that G.E. calls this a “newness odor.”
Has anyone else had this experience with a new (stainless drum) dishwasher? I am appalled that this is “normal,” and I can’t forsee a time that we can run it safely indoors.
Corinne Segura
not all GE dishwashers are going to be the same, stainless is almost always going to contain bitumen which does offgas. Also there def can be a difference between a portable dishwasher and a regular under the counter one.
Kimberly A Leeman
I really appreciate the information you provide and I refer to you often. Thank you for all you do. Oh, I just bought a Haier refrigerator and it stinks pretty bad. I have MCS and the plastic smell on the inside is very strong.
Corinne
Thank you for the report.
julielu
Kimberly, I feel for you greatly.
At the end of 2020 i was also faced with purchasing a new fridge and dreaded each store visit that had to be spaced out due to the effect.
I couldnt manage the Haier, Hisense or Westinghouse odours (& forgotten other brands too), but finally found joy with a Samsung (which I just love to bits. (It did have some odour that I didnt detect at the store. So not from the internal walls/fittings, but i believe was from the fan circulating air passing by the insulation as it was running 🙁 It probably took a month before i stopped noticing it and it got used more frequently over the holiday & Aust. summer period which would have helped.
Because the odour is inside the unit and you would be exposed many times a day i recommend to bite the bullet now and sell. I don’t think it would be enough to air it out if it smells like the insides of the ones I came across and they weren’t even running! Running it with door open is the only way for it to gas out – not very practical!
Marc Halusic
Hi, thank you for creating such a valuable resource!
I recently developed MCS and am trying to eliminate natural gas appliances from my home. If I replace my gas range for an electric one, is it common for offgassing or burning off coatings from the factory to become a problem? I was thinking of a modern glass-topped unit, I’m concerned because I tried an induction hot-plate for the past 2 weeks and it’s fan still gives off a faint but intolerable burning plastic smell whenever I use it.
Also, should I do away with my gas fireplace completely, or am I likely to be pretty safe if I replace it with a glass covered insert?
julielu
I would recommend short term solutions before investing deep with any appliances as many will bring up unseen issues. This can give you a learning period while adjusting health-wise. Sometimes it’s very hard to gauge (unless a serious reaction occurs) odours in other spaces that sometimes seem fine until they come home. So, introduce new things slowly and one at a time helps to discern culprits-sometimes a lot of detective work is required!
A bit of background that may help for comparison.
Ive had MCS many years (incl. collapse from gas escaping during igniting gas burners), and have used electric oven & cook top options. Recently both appliances needed replacing but now, with only 2 at home outside of celebrations, I have opted for several smaller appliances.
I have successfully used the PIC by “Nuwave” (Amazon) without issue ~4 years, Around the same period I have returned a Tefal “Opti-Grill” due to its intolerable chemical odour. More recently I have also been using Breville Smart Oven, Tefal C4M+ Pressure cooker, and Philips Airfryer. The latter was not been a plastics emission problem but is Terrible for smoking due to fatty meats in particular. (I will sell this asap.). Sometimes there is a residual styrene packaging odour that disappears quickly if left outside awhile.
I would investigate non-gas option heating unless the heater was located externally and fumes could not leak inside. The “Coonara” wood heater here was replaced with Gas Central Heating located in the roof space. Newer “climate change” options may become available…
Martha
I have been using a portable two-burner induction cooktop for about 20 years or more. I started with a one-burner model. It uses electricity, but much less than an electric cooktop. Induction is awesome and very easy to control. Unlike gas, no combustion products and, unlike electric, it works really well.
marc
i am looking for a non- toxic dishwasher. Your article is from 10/2019, Any good suggestions since then? Do i still need to avoid stainless tubs with bitumin?
Corinne
This was recently updated!
jayne yee
Is there a dishwasher without a prop 65 warning?
Mary
Wash dishes by hand with latex gloves